which is worse in use a Range Rover or a server?

Created by: VeryPC Pete :: 3 years ago

computer, eco, green, pollution, range rover, server

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"GO on have a guess!!"

By: VeryPC Pete :: 3 years ago

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"Dont tell me it's a server! I always felt "a bit greener, not suoerior may I add" when driving pass a big Range Rover and trust me they are enough of them where I live. But if the answer to your question is the Server then I am THE EARTH SINNER as I need a server to keep cooltribe going! VeryPCPete, please tell me!"

By: Hess :: 3 years ago

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"Depends what you're using it for ever tried driving a server off road? (Ha ha!)
I'm guessing you're going to say a server, but I hope not.
More seriously it comes to necessity and alternatives, you have many other alternatives to a Gas guzzling Range Rover but what alternatives are there to running your server which is essential to your business?"

By: Cooltivator :: 3 years ago

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"I am guessing the Range Rover.....

Hess, if you are right you can always change to solar powered hosting (My website is with http://www.lightbeingcreations.co.uk/"

By: My Green Cleaner :: 3 years ago

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"I hate to ruin your day but running a Range Rover sport at UK average miles produces about 2 tons of CO2. Running a server in a data room produces about 3 tons depending on what the server is (that figure is correct for a Dell 2950 or HP DL360G5 of reasonable spec).

So next time you see someone in a RR you can think "will it is not as bad as a server I guess", then decide to still dislike them on principle (unless it is an ambulance)"

By: VeryPC Pete :: 3 years ago

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"I am sure you will not be suprised that I work for a company that makes servers that are far far greener.....

Still enough blah blah"

By: VeryPC Pete :: 3 years ago

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"Even though servers are larger producers of CO2, One can produce green electricity to power them. At present there is no possibility of green fuel for SUV's.

Go solar, server farms..."

By: Solar-Guy :: 3 years ago

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"very true Solar-Guy, very true.

However even in califonia where most of the solar hosting facilities are, you do not get sunshine 24/7, I have been out in the desert when it rained (and snowed). What happens then?
Also, if you have more efficient servers then you can get more work from your amp so your hosting people can either reduce costs or increase profits, good alround!"

By: VeryPC Pete :: 3 years ago

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"Solar PV works best when grid-tied. You sell the energy to the utility company when the sun is shining, which is also at peak use time. Then, you buy back energy when the sun is not shining, which is mostly at off peak time and the electricity is cheaper.
Enough sunlight falls on the earth to power 7000 times of todays power usage. We have to change our thinking."

By: Solar-Guy :: 3 years ago

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"Of course!

What about the power you buy back? Do you ensure that you are using a "green" tarrif?
I love the idea of truely clean energy, I thought about setting up a data centre next to a fast moving river in a windy place like Scotland, PV would not be very good for power supply though. Also if it is a cold place you could use free air cooling which would also save a packet. However it would mean living in a cold wet windy place......."

By: VeryPC Pete :: 3 years ago

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"Phew, as a 'green' landrover driver I feel slightly relieved. Well I drive the landrover down the track and then jump into a little car for the tarmac bit of the journey.

Pete, when we met at UK aware you talked about your dream of building a green server farm. It really caught my imagination. You want to have a chat one day about costs, process et al. If we could get a business plan together I am all up for pitching investors, finding partners, and doing the running dog of capitalism bit.

my skype details are peter.shield"

By: Natural Choices :: 3 years ago

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"Hey, PC Pete, you could tap into that river with a micro hydro plant for your electricity. If it's cloudy all the time PV wouldn't work, but PV works best on a cold clear day. Silicon is less efficient in the heat!

Oh, by the way, when you're buying back the energy from the grid with a PV system, you're buying your own energy back you produced that day, truing up the meter to Zero!"

By: Solar-Guy :: 3 years ago

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"Also depends how you define 'worse'.
They might produce less CO2 but they

I love the old land rover defenders, but I live in london, every 4x4 I see could be something more economical and less likely to kill me, (the solid chassis would tear through my Prius, what it would to a G-Wiz I shudder to think!).

The range rover sport particularly is an anathema! A 4x4 with low profile tyres? If there is a point to this car somebody needs to explain it to me.

Servers, conversely, have a very healthy road safety record. (Although I nearly did my back in getting an old proliant server out of a skip once.)"

By: michael :: 3 years ago

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"Server or Auto, both consume energy from non renewables, i guess thats where the bite is, not if it "the range rover" per se is climate friendly or no. Were it to run on alternatives such as solar power or fuel cells or advanced photovoltaics, battery, tech. It would then be a non-issue, wouldnt it."

By: ameet :: 3 years ago

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"Ameet,

The SUV and the server are not normally run from renewables as this is the real world.
It is also not an attack on the SUV, it is an exercise to help people to understand that servers are far from green.

Even if you were to run both on zero pollution sources, you could still not argue that either of them where efficient in the resource use...."

By: VeryPC Pete :: 3 years ago

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"well, bio-fuels are real in certain parts of the world such as india and brazil. they incidentally happen to be some of the most populous parts too.

so is googles re"

By: ameet :: 3 years ago

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By: ameet :: 3 years ago

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"Ameet,

I accept that Bio fuels are available.

But I feel that they have no bearing on the fact that server in operation creates more CO2 and burns more 'fuel' than a Range Rover Sport in operation.
That is piece of information I am trying to get over is that a server (like the one hosting this site) is worse for the world than a SUV. We unless you use our severs!!!"

By: VeryPC Pete :: 3 years ago

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"google is running a project called re"

By: ameet :: 3 years ago

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"re"

By: ameet :: 3 years ago

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"re less than c, its in the real world"

By: ameet :: 3 years ago

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"try googling the goings on at google, you will be quite surprised, also their server farms are much more likely to become sustainable than the others, btw its all in the real world so far..."

By: ameet :: 3 years ago

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"Ameet,

I have just read with interest the google stuff at http://www.google.com/corporate/green/datacenters/step1.html

Google are making a good start. However they have some way to go.
I imagine the efficiency saving they are showing is in the 10% range?"

By: VeryPC Pete :: 3 years ago

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"servers use up about 3 to 4 % of the worlds total energy footprint."

By: ameet :: 3 years ago

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"google with this project will ensure renewable energy will become cheaper than coal or other fossil fired energy, they plan to make their data centers completely green in the next 10 years which includes scaling up to accomodate the ever increasing bandwidth needs over the next millenium...

it makes more sense to compute on the cloud.

all journeys begin with a single step, 10% today, 45% in the next 5 years and 100 % in the next 10 to 15..."

By: ameet :: 3 years ago

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"The article for cloud computing isn't quite that clear cut.
These are worth a read;

http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/blog/2009/mar/25/cloud-free-software-stallman
http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2008/sep/29/cloud.computing.richard.stallman

Back to greening up data-centres - I think I read somewhere Microsoft were building some roof-less centres?"

By: michael :: 3 years ago